Will you be Partcipating in the tournament?

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Are you participating in the tournament?

Poll ended at Wed Jul 28, 2010 9:13 pm

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Re: Will you be Partcipating in the tournament?

Postby Dman » Mon Jul 26, 2010 5:49 pm

Indeed...

I really despise our population density sometimes in the Western Provinces.

Which also shows that a large scale tournament will never work anywhere in Canada except Toronto, Montreal, Ottawa or Vancouver unless the prize pot pushed close to 2.5-3k which will obviously never happen.

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Re: Will you be Partcipating in the tournament?

Postby Rich! » Tue Jul 27, 2010 2:44 am

There's also a few other factors as well.

The Eastern Community Overall have always been more focused on the tournament aspect of the game than the Western Side.
The number of tournaments they hosted should be proof of this since there is alot more Eastern Tournaments than Western Tournaments.

The Western Side doesn't have as many "tournament" players than the Eastern Side as well. The Higher Tier Players in Edmonton to be honest make up a good chunk of these players followed by Winnipeg, Calgary, Saskatoon and Regina.
Can't speak for BC because I haven't see much going on from both here and on DDRFreak (where BC People often go to).
But this fact is also why Custom Mix 3 got pretty huge, there is alot of tournament players in that region.
As for the our side, we have don't have as many tournaments but alot more Casual Players.


I can promise you there will be more Casual players than Tournament Players in the Conference as well which would be the one of the biggest things here.
The Difficulty Level of ITG is another factor as well. The Gap between ITG's Expert Charts and DDR's Heavy Charts is pretty huge and there is alot of people that still have problems with ITG's difficulty.
Your tournament's difficulty level isn't as high as other recent ITG Tournaments but it's still high enough to make some players not want to enter. (This is not a criticism btw, I just mentioning a fact, I'm fine with the difficulty but I know there are others who will disagree)

Most of the people that show up during these conferences are doing it mainly for the social impact rather than the tournament as well.
Even in the past conferences, I have seen plenty of people show up and not take part in the main ITG Tournament.
This would be the biggest thing here as RGCanada Conferences are not clones of Rocky Mount or Fort Rapid Tournaments which are tournament focused events (and no this is not a bad thing, I myself like the more Social Element of the conference events myself)
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Re: Will you be Partcipating in the tournament?

Postby Dman » Thu Jul 29, 2010 6:36 pm

I found this quote, and find it to be very true. This is another reason why recalculations are not being accepted in the tournament.

Brian on AIJ wrote:In my opinion, most of the 'pad shit' that arises during tournaments is a result of people not adjusting correctly to a different machine. I'm not saying people need to 'change their style' or learn to play, but being able to feel out the machine and know which movements are causing pad errors is a skill.

Now before anyone says that the game isn't designed in this fashion, and that if your foot is on the arrow you deserve credit for that step, I disagree with that as well. Placement and pressure are two completely different things. if 25% of your foot is on the arrow and you put pressure down the wrong side of your foot - sorry - you deserve to miss.

The game WAS designed in this fashion. Roxor did not toil in making sure that the required pressure to trigger an arrow was the same for every single panel and every single machine that was shipped out. Consequently, every arrow you step on is going to be a little bit different. Being able to feel out those differences is part of being a well-adjusted player.


If I do future tournaments I'll make sure to have cameras on the pads and the screens on both sides of the machine, slow-motion tracking in ITG is probably just as important as any other sport discrepancies that you see in Hockey, Football etc. (I'm saying future because I don't think ill be able to get ahold of 4 cameras to use during the Top 8 tournament on Monday, but if you have one your willing to lend and are around Monday, let me know. :))

Referee calls are not always 100% accurate (the same thing goes for organizers that do pad arbitration, or players themselves doing pad arbitration. It is not always 100% accurate)

I've seen comments from organizers that have done this(slow-mo replay via camera), and the majority of the time when "pad" is reviewed on cameras in slow motion, its is usually determined to be the fault of the player.

So, unless the pad is in uber disrepair (and it won't be for the Con), then recalcing pad is probably an unfair advantage to the player requesting the recalc, as in most cases even though the player thinks they deserve it, they probably don't.

We are allowing for retries in close call situations if the player 100% honestly feels that the pad raped them up the ass. It is the only thing that is fair that can be done under these circumstances.

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Re: Will you be Partcipating in the tournament?

Postby Rich! » Thu Jul 29, 2010 6:41 pm

Wait...

Since you mention the no recal rule here, am I'm guessing that some people are not entering because of that rule O_o
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Re: Will you be Partcipating in the tournament?

Postby Dman » Thu Jul 29, 2010 6:48 pm

I don't think that its affecting whether they enter or not, I'm pretty sure all of them that have argued with me on msn/pm/email about it will still enter, but its one of those battles that will never have a conclusion.

I never had a really good quote to use against them (and I really wish I could find some organizer examples for slow-motion camera replays, but I can't remember where I read it, probably buried deep in some random threads), so I felt I should post this one which was just recently posted in the KOTC thread, cause it captures how I feel about this issues fairly accurately.

But ya if someone doesn't enter in spite of a recalc rule, that would be pretty sad. Just prooves they don't fell confident that they could place in the tourny unless they feel they have that to lean back on. (As not entering, they will never know if pad will actually ever be an issue for them. If they enter and have pad issues, thats another story regarding this particular comment.) Even the best pads can not cooperate to certain standards at all times, so I'm not even going to bother pretending that by some miracle I won't be hearing any bitching regarding pad errors. lol.

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Re: Will you be Partcipating in the tournament?

Postby CCC-Shiner » Mon Aug 02, 2010 1:41 am

I am entering the tournament, just because I LOVE. PLAYING. IN. TOURNEYS.

Some may recall my insane hubris post a year ago about getting good enough to place Top 8 for this conference but I gave myself a knee injury and up here in the Peace there is just a DDR Extreme that appeared out of nowhere a few weeks ago, so if anything I'm slightly worse than I was at my peak. Oops. I'll do my best for you anyway Tony <3
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Re: Will you be Partcipating in the tournament?

Postby Gr0f » Mon Aug 02, 2010 2:35 am

Oh great there goes my chance at top 8 :( Oh well, might as well give it a try. =D
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Re: Will you be Partcipating in the tournament?

Postby CCC-Shiner » Mon Aug 02, 2010 1:24 pm

I'm not so sure gr0f, I just checked your Groovestats and I'd say we're on equal playing levels...
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Re: Will you be Partcipating in the tournament?

Postby Dman » Mon Aug 02, 2010 3:49 pm

Ya and Tony just contacted me (Xyton) and because of Martial Arts tournament in the Fall that hes attending in Las Vegas, his parents pretty much made him choose between that and the Con. Understandbly he went with the Martial Arts tournament.

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